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	<description>A New Urbanist critique of the proposed Village Griffintown mall project</description>
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		<title>Comment on City lifts expropriation orders on 27 properties in Griffintown by D P Hanley</title>
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		<dc:creator>D P Hanley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 04:52:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, the www.projetgriffintown.com website is gone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, the <a href="http://www.projetgriffintown.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.projetgriffintown.com</a> website is gone.</p>
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		<title>Comment on On the Eve of St. Patrick&#8217;s &#8230; some Comments From Citizens by Wednesday-Night - &#187; Griffintown redevelopment project</title>
		<link>http://savegriffintown.wordpress.com/2008/03/15/on-the-eve-of-st-patricks-some-comments-from-citizens/#comment-440</link>
		<dc:creator>Wednesday-Night - &#187; Griffintown redevelopment project</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 22:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] already owned by Devimco south of Wellington Street. 15 March 2008 Here’s the first batch of a selected sampling of comments from people who’ve signed the Griffintown petition, asking for a proper, democratic oversight [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] already owned by Devimco south of Wellington Street. 15 March 2008 Here’s the first batch of a selected sampling of comments from people who’ve signed the Griffintown petition, asking for a proper, democratic oversight [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on News Update: Downsized Projet Griffintown to Proceed by Wednesday-Night - &#187; Griffintown redevelopment project</title>
		<link>http://savegriffintown.wordpress.com/2009/02/18/news-update-downsized-projet-griffintown-to-proceed/#comment-439</link>
		<dc:creator>Wednesday-Night - &#187; Griffintown redevelopment project</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 22:30:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] February Downsized Projet Griffintown to Proceed Devimco’s Projet Griffintown will proceed in a greatly reduced and modified fashion, say [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] February Downsized Projet Griffintown to Proceed Devimco’s Projet Griffintown will proceed in a greatly reduced and modified fashion, say [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on City lifts expropriation orders on 27 properties in Griffintown by TheWhatNow?</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheWhatNow?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 18:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;the City of Montreal is lifting its expropriation orders on properties in Griffintown not already directly owned by developer Devimco,&quot;

Do you mean ALL properties, since Devimco owns NOTHING in the Griff...not one square inch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the City of Montreal is lifting its expropriation orders on properties in Griffintown not already directly owned by developer Devimco,&#8221;</p>
<p>Do you mean ALL properties, since Devimco owns NOTHING in the Griff&#8230;not one square inch.</p>
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		<title>Comment on City lifts expropriation orders on 27 properties in Griffintown by alanah</title>
		<link>http://savegriffintown.wordpress.com/2009/02/25/city-lifts-expropriation-orders/#comment-434</link>
		<dc:creator>alanah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 19:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks, recession!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks, recession!</p>
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		<title>Comment on News Update: Downsized Projet Griffintown to Proceed by ELIZABETH</title>
		<link>http://savegriffintown.wordpress.com/2009/02/18/news-update-downsized-projet-griffintown-to-proceed/#comment-433</link>
		<dc:creator>ELIZABETH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 22:17:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yesterday the city of montreal council officially took off all the expropriation decree on 27 building lots in the griffintown ppu sector therefore officially lifting the ban on building permits .......proof even the city of montreal can realize its errors and correct them......this is a great day for griffintown</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yesterday the city of montreal council officially took off all the expropriation decree on 27 building lots in the griffintown ppu sector therefore officially lifting the ban on building permits &#8230;&#8230;.proof even the city of montreal can realize its errors and correct them&#8230;&#8230;this is a great day for griffintown</p>
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		<title>Comment on Feb 10th Panel Discussion: The New Griffintown by Fabio</title>
		<link>http://savegriffintown.wordpress.com/2009/02/02/feb-10th-panel-discussion-the-new-griffintown/#comment-428</link>
		<dc:creator>Fabio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 01:58:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Preserving the original buildings is the best policy for the longterm, Rome would not be what it is if they knocked down the old buildings. Keep the character and the feel of the area for future generations to understand what Montreal was made off. Some new buildings are needed, built to mirror the exisiting, such as in Rome or other such cities. This is environmentaly sound and economicaly feasible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Preserving the original buildings is the best policy for the longterm, Rome would not be what it is if they knocked down the old buildings. Keep the character and the feel of the area for future generations to understand what Montreal was made off. Some new buildings are needed, built to mirror the exisiting, such as in Rome or other such cities. This is environmentaly sound and economicaly feasible.</p>
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		<title>Comment on News Update: Downsized Projet Griffintown to Proceed by J.</title>
		<link>http://savegriffintown.wordpress.com/2009/02/18/news-update-downsized-projet-griffintown-to-proceed/#comment-427</link>
		<dc:creator>J.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 00:25:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One upside of the downturn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One upside of the downturn.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Feb 10th Panel Discussion: The New Griffintown by elizabeth</title>
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		<dc:creator>elizabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 02:25:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://cibl1015.com/radiomontreal/un-promoteur-pourrait-rejoindre-devimco-a-griffintown   hey guys look at this site on CIBL FM101.5 looks like Devimco is slowly but surely fading away</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://cibl1015.com/radiomontreal/un-promoteur-pourrait-rejoindre-devimco-a-griffintown" rel="nofollow">http://cibl1015.com/radiomontreal/un-promoteur-pourrait-rejoindre-devimco-a-griffintown</a>   hey guys look at this site on CIBL FM101.5 looks like Devimco is slowly but surely fading away</p>
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		<title>Comment on Les Bassins: Nice Idea, But Not A Neighborhood by DC</title>
		<link>http://savegriffintown.wordpress.com/2008/12/25/les-bassins-nice-idea-but-not-a-neighborhood/#comment-420</link>
		<dc:creator>DC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 23:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Resuming old-style development, as you propose, is not a technical concern but a financial and legal one. Particularly as concerns a contaminated site that currently exists as a single parcel with a single owner. It&#039;s a legitimate question to ask for other sites, but the financial burden of remediating this one for residential use puts it out of contention for what you have in mind.

As for the design, you would have something to worry about were the developer the impatient ÉTS or Edmonton-based cheapos True North, which slapped up Cours Windsor. Luckily enough it&#039;s in the hands of Canada Lands. They don&#039;t go in for starchitecture and have a good track record of nicely executed stuff that works well on a pedestrian level. The architects are Cardinal Hardy and l&#039;OEUF, who are some of the most environmentally, historically, aesthetically, socially, and urbanistically sensitive and skilled firms in the country. It&#039;s in very, very good hands.

Most of what you&#039;re worried about, like the plaza on Guy and the street frontage, depends on details and execution, and right now we&#039;re looking at a design that&#039;s still in the site planning stage. I don&#039;t see anything with this plan that gives me significant pause about the safety of the street or exterior spaces, but I don&#039;t have an allergy to modernism or big buildings. Again, a project of this scale succeeds or fails on the details, and the organizations designing and developing this project are known for getting the details right.

All that being said, I agree a light industrial use may be the best thing here. You&#039;re not going to see commercial shipping on the Lachine Canal anytime in the next decade, due to the narrowness of the locks, insufficient depth for heavy loads, and the hellbroth of sediment that would be stirred up if you tried to dredge it. You&#039;re not going to see a business shipping by rail there either, as much as you or I would like it. But an industrial use would minimize cleanup costs, and it&#039;s in a good location for workers and truck access.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Resuming old-style development, as you propose, is not a technical concern but a financial and legal one. Particularly as concerns a contaminated site that currently exists as a single parcel with a single owner. It&#8217;s a legitimate question to ask for other sites, but the financial burden of remediating this one for residential use puts it out of contention for what you have in mind.</p>
<p>As for the design, you would have something to worry about were the developer the impatient ÉTS or Edmonton-based cheapos True North, which slapped up Cours Windsor. Luckily enough it&#8217;s in the hands of Canada Lands. They don&#8217;t go in for starchitecture and have a good track record of nicely executed stuff that works well on a pedestrian level. The architects are Cardinal Hardy and l&#8217;OEUF, who are some of the most environmentally, historically, aesthetically, socially, and urbanistically sensitive and skilled firms in the country. It&#8217;s in very, very good hands.</p>
<p>Most of what you&#8217;re worried about, like the plaza on Guy and the street frontage, depends on details and execution, and right now we&#8217;re looking at a design that&#8217;s still in the site planning stage. I don&#8217;t see anything with this plan that gives me significant pause about the safety of the street or exterior spaces, but I don&#8217;t have an allergy to modernism or big buildings. Again, a project of this scale succeeds or fails on the details, and the organizations designing and developing this project are known for getting the details right.</p>
<p>All that being said, I agree a light industrial use may be the best thing here. You&#8217;re not going to see commercial shipping on the Lachine Canal anytime in the next decade, due to the narrowness of the locks, insufficient depth for heavy loads, and the hellbroth of sediment that would be stirred up if you tried to dredge it. You&#8217;re not going to see a business shipping by rail there either, as much as you or I would like it. But an industrial use would minimize cleanup costs, and it&#8217;s in a good location for workers and truck access.</p>
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